The Visionary's Journey

Behind the Scenes: Depression, Spiritual Guidance, and Creative Growth - S2 E3

February 08, 2024 Emily Falcigno Season 2 Episode 3
The Visionary's Journey
Behind the Scenes: Depression, Spiritual Guidance, and Creative Growth - S2 E3
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Life's challenges can sometimes feel insurmountable, but in sharing our stories, we find common ground and healing. That's why I'm sharing my side job search, and a wave of depression amidst the backdrop of global unrest and genocide. *** Call for Ceasefire!***
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If you are experiencing suicidal thoughts, call the Suicide prevention hotline (988) in the US. Or visit SamaritansHope.org.
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Deleting Instagram from my phone became a big step for getting out of a deep hole.   
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0:00  Depression Challenges and Podcasting Reflections
2:34  Light in Gaza
17:25  Spiritual Signs Pointing to Zone of Genius Job
29:06  Life Purpose and Dream Club for Seniors
34:05  Matt Walker - Sleep and Alzheimer's
40:05  Dreams Across Cultures
40:39  MLK Jr Speech. Museo Inmigrante

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Podcasting transformed Emily's career.

In Season 1, Episode 9, Emily processes her own Visionary's Journey.

It led to her Holistic Space Organizing business, Room to Transform.

We reorganize your space as a Walk-In Vision Board where you feel supported on your next phase of life, so you can manifesting your dreams.

Thanks for listening and good luck on your Visionary's Journey!

Emily Falcigno:

It's 12 30 am, 12 34 am on January something and I'm going to a show tomorrow at the MFA I'm really excited about and I wanted to record my new podcast. I've taken the hiatus because I've been really depressed with Palestine and Ukraine and all the wars going on, the genocides, and it feels like it's crushing my soul, like killing part of me. So like, say, all the human beings are cells in one body, and some of us are committing genocide to those cells. Then it's killing our own body. So I've been really depressed lately. I'm thinking about how to act and I've just been sharing things on social media and I've been getting like sucked into social media Really far, really far down really into rabbit holes, and I've been Spending hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours online, just like watching videos and doing all the things that a lot of people are doing without acting. What else was I depressed about? Let's see, I was looking for a job and I was having trouble finding one, and I was getting depressed for other reasons I can't really describe. I just started feeling down all of a sudden and the Instagram scrolling was not helping and I finally just want to get back to podcasting. So I deleted Instagram off of my phone and I want to get into some action. So one thing I did was I found a talk that was going on with a couple of Palestinians who are Christian. Am I the only one that didn't realize that Christians still live around Palestine? One of the pictures they showed had a mosque, across the street from a church. I talked to somebody else who I thought was Italian turns out there from Palestine. They talked about how there used to be Celebrations of Christmas with everyone, that it was like a national holiday. More recently, I had an urge to go into a bookshop. On one of the end caps, right in the front of the store. They have books all about Palestine and Israel. So I picked up a book called a light in Gaza, which is an anthology of different Palestinian authors. So I'm just starting the introduction now and I'm already learning a lot about the context of what's going on right now, which feels much more meaningful than scrolling Instagram.

Emily Falcigno:

I Do want to be empathetic towards my Jewish friends and listeners too, who might be facing hate crimes and anti-Semitism. While I was feeling down about About the world, I wrote to my previous guest do check in on him and With this question we were just asking ourselves like why? Same question, why aren't people empathetic? Why? Why do there still have to be wars? We don't get it.

Emily Falcigno:

And I got to the point where I was like, well, I Did learn once from a lady who channels. I Asked her why are we here on earth? What is the purpose of earthlings being here if there's just gonna be war? And she said we're here to learn to love. And combining that lesson with other things that I've learned, like human design and our different astrology charts, is that Maybe that means that we're supposed to learn the different sides of love, like in our lifetime. Maybe Cancers are supposed to learn how to love their families. Maybe Aries supposed to learn how to love themselves, how to be an individual. Maybe Sagittarius is are here to learn how to Love everyone. And that's where I come in the text I sent back was. It's so disappointing. It really makes me wonder why we're even here. I think it's to learn to love, but it's so hard for people to learn unconditional love. The live and let live kind.

Emily Falcigno:

Welcome back to the Visionaries' Journey. I am your guide, Emily Falcigno, she her pronouns. And this is Season 2. Curious about manifesting? Learn how to recenter on your unique path and manifest your true desires. This season we're manifesting using your spaces. Your personal, your work and community spaces.

Emily Falcigno:

In Season 1, Episode 9, I shared my own wiggly path. My intuitive journey inspired me to start my holistic organizing business called Room to Transform. Room to Transform is for situationally disorganized professionals who are going through a life or a career transition. You feel burdened by what everyone else thinks you should be doing. You want that embarrassingly messy storage space to magically transform into an inspiring space Because you are just way too overwhelmed by the very thought of reorganizing. Remember, on The Visionary's Journey, we're all about imperfections, so have self-compassion. Life transitions are hard and one day we all have to turn and face the strange changes. So with our collaborative walk-in vision board process, you resuscitate your neglected life goals so you can manifest your dreams. I help you clarify your life vision and reorganize a supportive physical space to jump into new things, jive with new habits and thrive in your next phase of life or career or exciting new hobby.

Emily Falcigno:

In Season 2 of the Visionary's Journey, we'll gain insight from fellow journeyers who are identifying their values just like you, we'll also hear from visionaries who cross our paths. They'll show us how they embody their values; how they translate those values into physical spaces around them; and how they take intentional action in their lives. Time to transform's core value is to lead with compassion so that we can build stronger communities and more inclusive communities, especially now that people's actual lives are at stake. People who are LGBTQ+, Black, People of color, people who are Indigenous, Asian, different religions, different levels of ability and neurodiverse. We need to identify community values and stand up for them. This season, we are doing a special community vision board segment. I am asking each guest to contribute to our community vision board on Pinterest. You can follow along at Pinterest dot com, For ward slash room to transform. Life is a big experiment, and so is this show. We embrace imperfections and learn as we go. Come on, our future selves are cheering us on.

Emily Falcigno:

Is it very surprising that I fell off the podcasting bandwagon again? Question mark. Part of the reason I fell off the bandwagon is because I make it into this huge task, because it is a huge task. But I got this idea from a lady I will figure out who it is in a minute and she thought people should use their voice memo app on their phone. Now this is on iPhones. She used it as a form of engagement to have listeners call in, quote, unquote, call in, but send a voice memo to the host. So I want to do that with you all ask you a question and have you send me a voice memo, and then I can incorporate your thoughts and responses in my podcast, and that's really easy way to do it. So I guess what I'm doing right now is a process episode, basically with myself.

Emily Falcigno:

I am sitting on the couch right now. I have my feet up on a DIY ottoman that I made. I've got my grandmother's light. She's got a lamp. It looks like a Tiffany lamp, but I think she bought it at Marshall's and there are two of them. It's stained glass, blue, and it's got this beautiful glow when you turn it on. That's right next to me, and I wanted to talk today about why I fell off the bandwagon, even though I promised that I had a whole season of episodes. Actually, what I really had was a season of ideas.

Emily Falcigno:

I've been wanting to interview several people who have insights around organizing, so the next person I wanted to interview teaches people feng shui. Okay, so I just clicked a button that I didn't know what I clicked and it brought up this edit tool where I can edit as I go, or I can pause it one minute and resume it, just like that. That's pretty cool, because sometimes I just like right now I lose my train of thought and I have to gather myself and otherwise I would have a long, long silence pause, but I could cut down on them and make it sound a little bit more normal. So I'm looking for the name of this lady who suggested Voice Memo. She's also the lady that suggested deleting an app off your phone. That's really distracting you. For her it was a game, for me it was Instagram. Okay, yes, I found it All right. Her name is Manush Zumarodi and she's the post of this podcast called Note to Self, and I found her through PRX's podcast garage, which is in Alston. They have a spreadsheet on their website. So if you're interested in doing a podcast, they've got this spreadsheet on their website that has all different resources of how to do it, how to engage people, which is what I landed on and found Manush here.

Emily Falcigno:

So what have I been doing in the time between the last recording, the last episode and now? Well, I got a new full-time job. I'll tell you about what I'm doing in a minute. For now, I'm going to tell you the effects this has on running your own business. Now that I'm not under such pressure to make a living with my business, I can get a job and get more creative with it, and what I mean by making a living is I mean that my baseline expenses will be paid so with my business. I still want to make money with my business, but I don't have to be in survival mode with it, because the energy that it was creating for me felt like desperate energy and so that's not great energy for attracting what you want.

Emily Falcigno:

My pie in the sky of what I want is some clients who maybe are like, really techie, but want to have a creative studio in their home and want to figure out the best way to set up their studio. Or people who want to hav e a hidden door which is a bookcase and then it opens up into a room or a studio, or a stairwell that goes downstairs, or a little reading nook. Or people who are building their Retirement home and want to think about it and organize it well with the architect before they build it out. O r working with people who are extremely downsizing down to a tiny home or something and want to figure out how to organize the tiny home in the best way that fits their habits and skills and creativity. Before I tell you what I do in my full-time job, I'm going to tell you how I got my job, because it was a lot. It took a lot of intuition, and by that I mean trusting my gut at opportune times.

Emily Falcigno:

I might have told you before that I worked in a corporate job. Did I ever tell you that? A long time ago, before I was a photographer, before I did vision boarding, I worked in this corporate job and I hated it. I Mean, I liked parts of it, but it was not my zone of genius. It was not what I wanted to be doing with my life. I have a story I wrote about it that it relates to the cliff diving painting that I made. I Will link to that in the show notes.

Emily Falcigno:

I had a roommate over quarantine who said oh, you'd be so good at this particular job, you'd be so good as a content producer, you'd be so good at whatever. And she said you know, not all corporate jobs are like the one that you hated, but she must have read my mind because that is what was going through my mind that, like Brene Brown says, what is the story you're telling yourself? That was the story I was telling myself is that corporate jobs are bad, and that's why I really wanted to work for myself, because I come from a line of entrepreneurs and I thought I could do it. But working for yourself is very lonely and I love working on a team and I love being creative, which is why you know, I gravitate towards making podcasts and working with creatives on organizing.

Emily Falcigno:

Another thing that comes to mind is this moment where I was walking with a woman who used to freelance she was a life coach and Now she works for a corporation or an institution or something and she said to me you know, you can make more of an impact when you're working with a wider population. Hmm, that really stuck with me.. and, in order to keep me in my creative zone of genius, I love, love Pie in the sky to hire a manager, somebody who will keep me on task and Will help me make podcasts Regularly, because obviously I'm not great at that, but that's okay, yo, because we can't be great at everything, Ya know? Shout out to Jacquee on that one. We have to be great at what we're great at. And what I'm great at is coming up with ideas and creative solutions on the fly. And when I sit down and plan it out they get even more creative and more exciting and more elaborate.

Emily Falcigno:

So you know, I did some soul searching Figuring out what I wanted to do. I talked to my bestie, dr Liz, the OT, who Would always say you know, you'd be really good at activities with seniors. But I was like I've never done that before. How would I even start? And I was thinking I might get into art therapy. What if I went back to school to get my masters? My mother and my grandmother wouldn't stop telling me I should go back and teach art or just be a teacher in general. That I would be amazing at teaching. I'm good with kids one-on-one, but a whole Classroom full of kids, I think, would make me crazy.

Emily Falcigno:

So my grandmother, who I just mentioned, actually passed away in April and we were Besties pretty much. I had this intuitive connection with her when whenever I was thinking of her, she was thinking of me, I would call or she would call me, and we'd always say I was just thinking of you. But honestly, it was like every single time, every single time. But when she died or when she was dying, I couldn't feel her presence, I couldn't feel her energy and I was like, well, you know what she's probably like, conserving that for herself. And after she died, you know, I knew that she needed to go. I knew that she was ready and it was Okay for her to go, but I felt like a piece of me was gone, because I couldn't feel her presence anymore. And sometimes, when I'm meditating, I feel her mother near me, and to imagine her spirit near me Made me cry, because I was like no, she's not on the other side, she's on vacation or she's just at her home and I'm just not there. And it's just like it was before. But it wasn't.

Emily Falcigno:

You know, I'm gonna pause for a minute on this story because the way I'm using this voice memo app is really awesome. I feel like I'm just talking to a friend on the phone. Does it feel like that for you? Okay, back to my story. So Someone said that when somebody dies, it's like you you gain an angel on your side. So I asked my grandmother to help me with my job search, because I had a feeling that once you're on the other side, you can see a lot more or understand a lot more than you can as a human being. And even before I asked her to help me, I just said to the universe side note I've done this before and it worked. So here goes. I asked the universe for a job that encompasses all of my skills in my zone of genius, and then I asked my grandmother for help too.

Emily Falcigno:

So before I applied for the job at the senior center, I applied for a photography job. It was at a place that I've been wanting to work for for a very long time and they finally had a job opening. So I applied and I got the interview. But it was very far away, like all the way to the other end of the train line, and I wanted to test out the commute before I took the job. So I go out there and it takes like an hour just on the train, so not counting walking. And the rest of the walk from the train to the job was very dangerous and I had to walk under an underpass that barely had a sidewalk, didn't have any guardrails, around a turn where they were doing construction, and down this kind of shady road. So I'm already getting like a bad feeling about it.

Emily Falcigno:

And when I get there, I get to the building and I turn the corner and I hear the fire alarm go off in the whole building. So people in the place where I applied they're all running out of the building. And I ask for the lady who I was supposed to meet with. And she met with me but I'm like, um, I think this is bad news. Like I don't think I'm supposed to go in. I think this is a sign. So I was thinking about walking away and just saying forget about it.

Emily Falcigno:

But I went in and when I went in I was just like no, I cannot work here. It felt very sterile and I was going to have to be on the computer all day and that wasn't on my vision list. I really did not want to be on the computer all day. So I said no, because I know that when you say no you send a clear message to the universe and to your subconscious and to your body that you will not tolerate certain things. So it's like you're telling the universe who is your assistant, 'I do not want a job where I'm looking at the computer all day. I do not want a job with a long commute. I do not want a job where I have to walk along a highway.' Sometimes it's really good to know what you do not want, because that'll filter your options even further down to what you do want.

Emily Falcigno:

One day I got so fed up and so like annoyed with sending out resumes and not hearing anything back that I went on LinkedIn or looked up a blog or something and somebody said the best way to get a job is to network. So go on LinkedIn and look for somebody that works at the place that you're looking for and just do an inter an informational interview with them. So I happened to find a job that was at a senior center and went on LinkedIn and found somebody in my network worked there. Was so weird because she went to my college and she went to the school that I was thinking of applying to for art therapy. So I made an appointment with her and it was about two weeks out.

Emily Falcigno:

I found this job and I was gonna apply for it, but then, of course, I put it off for a little while and then when I went back I couldn't find it, but the day that I had that informational interview with this woman, I went back on their website and I found the job again. So I talked about it with this lady that went to my school and we happened to overlap a couple of years, so I kind of remembered her and she asked me how much experience I had with seniors and I was like, well, I really only gardened for a couple of seniors and you know my whole family. I have a huge family and there are a lot of seniors in my family and she said go for it, just apply for it, see what happens. So I apply for it and it's a part-time job, but I'm really looking for a full-time job, you know, ideally with enough time to work on my organizing business and still do podcasting and so forth. They got my resume and they responded as almost as soon as I sent it in, so that process was really fast. And when I went in for the interview they were like selling me the job. They were like you, you would love working here. Da, da, da.

Emily Falcigno:

Also, in the interview, the hiring manager revealed that she had taken the job off the listing and they had another candidate and then was like no, I don't think so. I feel another energy coming through, I know we're going to get a better candidate. And that's when she posted the listing again. And that's when I saw it that that day that I had the informational interview with the lady from my co llege. (Twilight Zone music.) They basically offered me the job in the interview and said, hey, wait a minute, we also have this other part-time job that you could do and we could make it into a full-time job for you. I was like, hold up, I'm going to check in with my aunt, who also is an activities manager for a senior center, and see what questions I should ask. I went back to my OT friend did the same thing, went to my mom, who's a psychologist, did the same thing and collected all of these good questions that I should ask them. So I talked to my aunt and she suggested going in and shadowing, which I thought was brilliant. Okay, so I get all my questions ready from everyone and my own questions about benefits and everything like that.

Emily Falcigno:

I meet the boss of this other job that, this other part-time job that I'm applying for, and she reminds me of my aunt. It is so funny. She's so deadpan but encouraging at the same time, and she shows me around and she keeps talking about bocce and I'm thinking of my grandfather and I walk upstairs in the billiard table at the top of the stairs and I'm like, oh my gosh, my grandfather's energy is here and I go upstairs and shadow with the old folks. And while I'm shadowing with who would be my mentor, she asks one of the residents to tell me who the dog is that comes for dog therapy and she's taking a minute and she tells me the dog's name is Cookie, and I'm like what the what, the what, the what? I have never heard another dog named Cookie, have you? I've heard of Oreo and Chip, but never Cookie, except for one dog, my grandmother's dog. Holy moly. I was like 'Hi Gram! What's up?' And then, as I'm walking out, I'm trying to figure out what movie they're watching. And the more I watch the more I realize it is a movie that has my dad's name in the title and I'm like, 'Oh my gosh, Gram, you are totally here. I feel your presence now loud and clear.'

Emily Falcigno:

In that time since that experience, there have been so many weird coincidences that feel like my grandmother is right next to me every single day. For instance, my boss's handwriting is just like my grandmother's. The other day I asked for a sign when I did a little meditation on a break and later that day, my boss had put a VHS tape on her desk of Lucille Ball as Auntie Mame. And that's what my grandmother used to call me, even though I had no idea who Auntie Mame was. And the thing about the Auntie Mame tape was my boss and somebody else had been looking for it for a long time and they just found it that day. So, as you may have guessed, I took the job and I basically come up with activities for seniors to do to fill their life with meaning and purpose and activity.

Emily Falcigno:

Honestly, it's not too far from what I do with you all and remember, I asked the universe to give me a job that would fulfill everything that I want to do? Well, I never thought that I would be getting paid to plan a class on interpreting dreams, but that's what I was doing yesterday. My residents are so excited about learning about dream interpretation and I'm learning from them that your dreams can change over your lifetime, like the way you dream can change. Isn't that so interesting? And another thing. So another thing I did to keep myself from being distracted from the internet and Netflix was I got rid of Netflix because I would binge watch for four hours a night. So instead of doing that, I decided I would go to the movies once month. Spend that money going to a museum. Recently I saved up some Netflix money and went to the Fashioned by Sargent exhibit at the Museum of Fine Arts. Holy moly, was that a good show. It was very crowded, but so worth it to see some of the dresses that John Singer Sargent painted or commissioned for a painting.

Emily Falcigno:

But the kicker that really got me was seeing all his portraits together. I've seen Madame X at the Met in New York City and when you walk into the library at Copley Square his paintings are all in the entrance. He's got a big painting at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum and the sketch that he did for Madame X is there too. But to see all his paintings large, like on the wall, they're life-size Portraits, like floor, you know, head to toe length portraits of these people, life-size with these beautiful fabrics. And he loved painting black on black or white on white. Oh man, I love seeing how people paint different textures, especially his textures. He would do like velvets and satins and wools and they all look like that texture. Just so good at it, and you know I've been wanting to paint more.

Emily Falcigno:

So what am I doing with my residents? I'm going to be teaching them how to paint and how to draw. I even made some abstract art with some of my residents who have dementia, and so I've been researching a lot about dementia and Alzheimer's. And did you know, that the arts are the last things to go? So music is really important and art is really important, and my boss is this phenomenal jazz pianist, so I'm spoiled by listening to piano music like three times a week. Yeah, what piano music you're hearing is her actually playing. It's like she has four hands on the keys. I don't understand it.

Emily Falcigno:

And tonight, instead of scrolling my life away, I am recording my podcast on my phone, which is much easier than taking a whole evening and telling my roommates that I need quiet time, and trying to keep my room as quiet as possible. I can just grab my phone when I have quiet time and use this voice memo app and edit it as I go. What a miracle. Thank you, Manoush. That was the best advice I've ever heard for podcasting. As with any of my process episodes, there are a lot of little messages, little lessons in this episode.

Emily Falcigno:

As I've been planning for Dream Club, I happened upon a podcast called the Matt Walker Podcast. He is a sleep researcher at UC Berkeley and I'm getting a little off topic, but there is some studies he's done or other people have done about how Alzheimer's is linked to a lack of sleep. I bring that up because I work in memory care now and even in memory care people can live purposeful lives. And actually, psychology r esearchers have shown that leading a purposeful life is one of the keys to longevity. Bear with me, my mind map is taking me back to Matt Walker's research on digital detox before bed.

Emily Falcigno:

I had a bad habit of scrolling right before bed and that would affect my dreams and you know all that. Blue light helps you stay awake for two extra hours than you should. So some of the things that he suggested was turning off most of the lights in your house, like an hour before you go to bed, so that you get sleepy. It triggers your sleepy genes. Cheer up sleepy gene. Oh, what can it mean to a daydream believer and a homecoming queen? So obviously not sleepy genes, sleepy chemicals in your brain.

Emily Falcigno:

The point I'm trying to make is actually many points all at once, because I've come to find out I have a little bit of ADD , which is why writing things down is usually better for me than dictating into a phone, like I am right now. One point is that going analog before bed is a good idea to help you get more sleep so that you can be more creative every day. The other is to follow your intuition. Remember to practice your intuition. Some good ways to practice intuition is when you're playing games like practice trusting your gut. Usually, intuition will come with a strong gut feeling or a sense of urgency, and not a sense of urgency out of fear but out of wonder, or it just might feel like the right thing to do at the right time. Hey, and you know, if somebody in your life has just passed, ask for them to send you a sign. And you can ask for something very specific, like purple butterflies or something, and just wait for it. You'll see it, maybe on a sticker, or you'll hear somebody on the radio say purple butterfly or something like that. So keep up the faith and ask for what you want. Remember to ask for what you need and what you want, because it's out there, it will come to you.

Emily Falcigno:

I guess part of my point in telling you all of this is that planning activities is a lot of hard work and I've been very occupied with it, and now that I'm setting goals for myself and doing more long term projects and planning ahead, I'm now coming up for air and I am able to get back to podcasting and doing creative things with you. Welcome back. So for my next episode, here's my question to you: Tell me what creative projects you're working on and what questions do you have about arranging your space in an efficient way so that you can do your projects. Okay, now add your name to it too, so I can refer to the person that sent it and send it to this email address TheVisionariesJourney at gmailcom. Let's see, the email address is spelled T-H-E-V-I-S-I-O-N-A-R-Y-S-J-O-U-R-N-E-Y at gmail dot com. I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Oh, also tell me where you're from. That would be so cool to see where my listeners are coming in from. I'll put a little link to how you do the voice memo in the show notes too. Okay, how you can make one and how you can share it. Okay, friends, see you next time on The Visionary's Journey. Epi logue.

Emily Falcigno:

I was just trying to think of which account I should have you send your voice memos to. I popped into my old account for Savvy Singles Studio, which is what I started using for this Visionary's Journey podcast. You know how I just mentioned positive psychology? Well, I got an email from The Greater Good magazine, which is run by the researchers that research positive psychology. There is a dream topic that I have been meaning to write about and it is the exact answer to the question I have, which is what do dreams look like across cultures? I'll link to it in the show notes people. I'll link to it for you.

Emily Falcigno:

Speaking of dreams and visionaries and different cultures, I have some notes from Martin Luther King Jr Day, which was earlier this month. I found a quote on a website called Many Helping Hands 365.org. They lead a day of volunteering in Cambridge City Hall on Martin Luther King Day and host many other volunteering opportunities throughout the year. So there's an article about how, in 1960, Martin Luther King Jr came to Cambridge to give a sermon at the first Baptist Church, now known as Central Square Church, and he's talking about the scientific progress that America has made with subways and airplanes. And he says quote "hrough your scientific genius, you have made the world a neighborhood, but you have failed to make it a brotherhood&"gt; and I really feel like that resonates right now today, with the wars going on, like what is the purpose of these wars? Why can't we have more of a brotherhood and sisterhood and human civility in the world? And that leads me to my next note.

Emily Falcigno:

There's a really good show going on at the Somerville Museum. It's going now until March 23, 2024, and is called Museo Inmigrante Stories of Resilience from Somerville's Padres Latinos. If you're interested in social justice for immigrants, please go see that show. It is about personal individuals and families stories about how they immigrated, how they're living now and what their hopes and dreams are. It's a really cool show and I hope you will go see it. And I hope it inspires you to do something, to make some art or music or a poem that helps you express yourself, or to help people see another perspective. Okay, one more thing. We have a vision board on Pinterest for each of the episodes this season, so I will add a link to the show notes for this episode. So remember to send me your voice memo with what projects you're working on and what help you need along the way. You know how to reach me. Check the show notes and I'll hear from you soon. Thanks for listening and I'll catch you on the airwaves next time on The Visionary's Journey.

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